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saggioculo

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Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« on: May 23, 2013, 08:26:24 pm »
There are areas on my pattern that looked fine but once cut look all wrong!  My first problem in cutting out this pattern was in using a spiral blade.  I think I've fixed that problem (thanks to all who helped me with that).  OK...the area around the man's fingers...WRONG!  It's not just sloppy cutting where I went wrong.  It just doesn't look right.  The woman's mouth...WRONG.  It looks like a butterfly.  The woman's feet/shoes...WRONG.  Doing the feet from a front view instead of side view (like the man's shoes), I just can't seem to get right in the pattern and in cutting it out.  Might anyway notice the frustration in this post?  I'm like a 5 year old who dropped her ice cream cone (hmmm...not a bad idea for another pattern...maybe?).  Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Really, greatly appreciated!!

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 09:32:25 pm »
Hi Annie,
is this any better :)

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« Last Edit: May 23, 2013, 09:39:48 pm by Tomsunnu »
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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 01:30:40 am »
You've made very helpful improvemets which I am so very grateful.  I still have an issue with the woman's feet/shoes.  They're shaped wrong or UGH! I dunno...they just do not look right to me.  Might I be too critical on this or does anyone else see it?

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 06:27:50 am »
Annie my dear, please do not be too hard on yourself.
I had a long hard look at this pattern and thought very good, as for the shoes no problem, the mouth again no problem, as for the gentleman's hands the left one may be a little on the large side.
had the missus take a look and she said tell you too get over it (meaning: nothing to worry about).

Mahendra: very nice to help out the shoe's do look better your way.. but.
The the mouth was what I wood have cut it on the fly...

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 07:15:28 am »
saggioculo - when I look at your 50's cartoons, I look for small details that tell part of the story. You get a lot of expression into your facial features. The woman's lips & nose give me the impression that she is turning up or crinkling her nose at this guy's advances. If that was your intent then I'd say you nailed it.

The splits at here toes give a kind of cloven-hoof look. Again, if she was supposed to be a bit devilish then the shoes help bring that out. Mahendra's rounding of the toe looks more like a conventional front shoe view.

Maybe they look off to you because you didn't intend those characteristics, or your opinion of her changed as you drew? I think they look fine.
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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 07:53:52 am »
Very nice pattern, thanks for sharing

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 02:29:15 pm »
IMHO...

Just round off the woman's shoes (as in 'pumps') and go with it except for HIS left hand...
The hand does seem kinda weird.

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 06:00:44 pm »
Annie my dear, please do not be too hard on yourself.
I had a long hard look at this pattern and thought very good, as for the shoes no problem, the mouth again no problem, as for the gentleman's hands the left one may be a little on the large side.
had the missus take a look and she said tell you too get over it (meaning: nothing to worry about).

Mahendra: very nice to help out the shoe's do look better your way.. but.
The the mouth was what I wood have cut it on the fly...

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I think your "missus" is right on the money!  I get a picture in my head and sometimes things go afoul from head to hands.  I know I tend to be too critical and it's great help when all of you give advice either to tell me I'm being to critical or suggestions on a change here and there.  You all have helped me realize the project isn't wrong just because it didn't come out exactly the way I pictured it in my head.  Thanks for the help.  It means alot to me.

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 01:18:51 am »
What's wrong with the shoes is that there is no room for toes.  The way they're drawn (second pattern), shows a uniforn width all the way down to the toes.  Shoes don't do that.  They need to hold your toes in!  Make the toe end a larger cut out and I think you will be happier.

As to the mouth, widen it a bit.  The "butterfly" look is better than the second pattern IMO but it is too vertical.  Mouths are horizontal.  In the second pattern, her mouth looks like it is hanging open which doesn't seem to fit the overall look.  Also include the corners of the mouth or at least a suggestion of them.

I couldn't design a pattern to save my life so please don't take the critiques badly.  I have the utmost respect for those that can do it.  Give me a blank piece of paper and that's what you would still have when I got done.  I'm just trying to explain why I think it looks a little off.  
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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 02:11:35 pm »
What's wrong with the shoes is that there is no room for toes.  The way they're drawn (second pattern), shows a uniforn width all the way down to the toes.  Shoes don't do that.  They need to hold your toes in!  Make the toe end a larger cut out and I think you will be happier.

As to the mouth, widen it a bit.  The "butterfly" look is better than the second pattern IMO but it is too vertical.  Mouths are horizontal.  In the second pattern, her mouth looks like it is hanging open which doesn't seem to fit the overall look.  Also include the corners of the mouth or at least a suggestion of them.

I couldn't design a pattern to save my life so please don't take the critiques badly.  I have the utmost respect for those that can do it.  Give me a blank piece of paper and that's what you would still have when I got done.  I'm just trying to explain why I think it looks a little off.  

I absolutely agree with everything you said.  My problems is the more I look at it the more frustrated I get and of course once that happens, anything I try to do to the pattern comes out worse then when I started.  
The shoes....that frontal view...she is wearing heels so the feet are in the right position, but to get the look that you describe...I get it, but I can't seem to draw it.  As for the mouth, I wanted the woman to show a complete lack of interest, boredom with the gentleman.  Also, maybe a bit of snobbery (is that a word?). Again, I agree with your suggestions.  
Right now, I've already attempted to cut this piece three times and all have ended up in the scrap pile.  Once my level of frustration comes down, I will attempt to make the proper adjustments and I think I will again ask the forum for input before actually cutting the piece.
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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 09:05:11 pm »
In my own opinion the only thing I would change and only slightly, is regarding the young ladies lips.  I would flatten them out from the top, but keep the same width as she has a slender face.  Her shoes are fine, as is the rest. :)

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Re: Good on Paper, Bad on Wood
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 09:38:14 pm »
I would clarify (I get my pics mixed up when I look at too many in the same thread), use Mahendra's shoes but just put a larger cut area at the bottom (toes).  That line can be curved or straight across as I have seen both styles.

For the "abandon all hope" look, maybe you could lower/flatten the eyebrow on the side of her face nearest the man and leave the other one arched.  That would convey an air of distain.

Again, just my thoughts.  I enjoy looking at your patterns - this one included. 

 

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