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Title: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 08, 2011, 07:47:29 pm
I want to cut a circle about half way through the thickness of a piece of wood.  Normally I'd use one of my fostner bits, but they remove all the wood within the circle.  What I need to do is just cut out the outline of the circle without removing the wood within the circle and only about half way through the thickness of the wood.  Does that make sense? 
Is there a bit that does that? 

Thanks so much!
Anne
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: dgman on September 08, 2011, 08:35:12 pm
Anne, This is possible to do if you have the tools to do it. There is no bit that will do it but it can be done. If you have a band saw, you can resaw a slice of wood from the back side of the board. Then with the scroll saw, cut out the portion of the circle that you need. Then glue the back of the board back on. I can't see any other way of doing it other than chiseling it out.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Dan26 on September 08, 2011, 08:38:57 pm
Another way is to use a plunge router with a circle jig.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: dgman on September 08, 2011, 08:43:29 pm
OK, after re reading your post, are you wanting to make a circle and leave the inside? A hole saw will do it but it will leave a pilot hole in the center. I suppose you could fill the pilot hole with a dowel or maybe some wood putty if it is going to be painted.
Can you post a picture of the project or pattern so we can see what it is you need to do?
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 08, 2011, 09:16:50 pm
I have a plunge router...I don't know what a circle jig is though.  I center pilot hole is absolutely OK.  What I need is something like a fostner bit except without removing the inner circle of the wood...just an outline.

Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 08, 2011, 09:31:19 pm
OK...I found a picture of what I need.  Unfortunately, the article with the picture is talking about DIY remodeling a kitchen and says NOTHING about the picture of the bit.  I don't get it!!!  Does anyone know what this type of bit is actually called and where I can get them...hopefully in different sizes? 
Many, many thanks!!!!!
Anne
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Russ C on September 08, 2011, 09:47:18 pm
Those are called hole saw bits and come in different sizes. They can be found at most hardware or lumber stores, Home Depot, Lowes. Here is a link from Home Depot showing a kit with different sizes.  ;)  Hole Saw Kit (http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Drill-Bits-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbuhj/R-202327772/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: termite on September 08, 2011, 09:55:51 pm
that is a hole saw as dgman said. your picture has a 1/4 inch bit. they come in different sizes. Lowes,
Home Depot or any store like that carries them. electricians & plumbers also use them.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Gabby on September 08, 2011, 10:12:15 pm
If you have a drill press, you can set it to stop at whatever depth you wish, and if you want to you should be able to remove the center pilot bit if needed then the only cutting would be the circle.
Gabby
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: KarlB on September 08, 2011, 10:14:13 pm
If you get the kind that has a pilot bit which is held in with a set screw, you can chuck it up in a drill press, clamp down your wood and get a circle without the pilot hole.  

First remove the drill bit by removing the set screw.

Also start the hole slowly with light pressure to begin with.

Karl

(Wow Gabby - great minds...) posting at the same time
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Gabby on September 08, 2011, 10:20:07 pm
Yeah we're both slumming. LOL
Gabby
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 08, 2011, 10:27:50 pm
THANK YOU!!!  You are all awesome.  Thank you so much for your great help and incredible patience with a newbie!

Anne
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: GrayBeard on September 09, 2011, 12:12:26 am
MOST of us are very patient with 'newbies' for the simple reason that we too were 'newbies' and someone did the same for us!

Ask any question, anytime!

~~~GB~~~
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: BilltheDiver on September 09, 2011, 12:29:48 am
Another option if you have a drill press is a "fly cutter" bit.  They are usually adjustable as far as the diameter of the circle, and cut with either 1 or 2 spurs which rotate around the center hole bit.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Gabby on September 09, 2011, 02:55:01 am
Another option if you have a drill press is a "fly cutter" bit.  They are usually adjustable as far as the diameter of the circle, and cut with either 1 or 2 spurs which rotate around the center hole bit.

Hey Bill I have to add, they aren't for novices to power tools! Those spinning arms with the cutters can be quite dangerous to someone not knowing what they are doing.
Gabby
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: tux_linux on September 09, 2011, 06:01:50 am
Better solution:

Apply pattern on wood. Cut circle. The glue a second board to the first one and cut the outline of the double size wood. The depth of the circle will be adjusted by the wood you use for the first bit.

That's what I'm planning for some clocks insets, simpler then working with forstner drills or anything else.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: BilltheDiver on September 09, 2011, 09:36:47 am
You are right Gabby!  Especially because people tend to run them way too fast and they overheat.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: dgman on September 09, 2011, 09:51:44 am
Another option if you have a drill press is a "fly cutter" bit.  They are usually adjustable as far as the diameter of the circle, and cut with either 1 or 2 spurs which rotate around the center hole bit.

Hey Bill I have to add, they aren't for novices to power tools! Those spinning arms with the cutters can be quite dangerous to someone not knowing what they are doing.
Gabby
Which is why I didn't bring it up earlier!
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: BilltheDiver on September 09, 2011, 11:18:59 am
See, that's why you guys are hero's & I'm just a senior member.   ;D
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: mrsn on September 09, 2011, 07:56:20 pm
make sure that the wood you are using is clamped really well. hole saws are big and have lots of teeth in the wood, they can be agressive if you are not careful.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: geneVG on September 10, 2011, 10:45:01 am
This is the reason you never have enough clamps.  Just for the reason you all are talking about.

gene
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 10, 2011, 07:31:46 pm
I saw one of those hole saw kits on ebay for around $18...has different sizes.  It's not a bit I see myself using too often but I have a few projects and the this bit will save me a huge amount of time and effort.  I'll show you the project when I'm done. 
Thanks for everyone's help!!

Anne
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: dgman on September 10, 2011, 08:24:48 pm
Hey Anne, Just so you know, A hole saw is designed for making rough holes for construction and such, so be sure to try it on a piece of scrap wood of the same type of wood you will be using just to be sure it will do what you want.
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: saggioculo on September 10, 2011, 09:28:17 pm
Dgman...thanks for telling me that.  I would have been very upset to screw up my project as the hole saw bit will be one of the last things I'll be cutting.  I actually would have just went cut without even trying the bit out first.  Haste makes waste....ain't the truth!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Can't cut outline of circle?
Post by: Gabby on September 10, 2011, 11:02:02 pm
Good for making simple wheels of various sizes. Want to make it a little fancier, make a shallow cut with a smaller hole say to suggest the inner circumfrence of the tire then finish cutting with the larger saw to make the tire and axel hole. Voila!
All the French I know. LOL
Gabby