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General Category => General Scroll Saw Talk => Topic started by: Danny on February 21, 2014, 02:11:29 pm
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Was just reading and re-reading the posts and ran across the one I put about painters tape and decided to say a thing or three.... It has been so long since I used Painters tape it seems strange just to think about all them Years I did use it. And also sometimes the frustrations of peeling off the tape with the pattern after all was cut. Or (don't miss this) using Spirits to dissolve the tapes glue stick-um. Way to messy for me. And some places having the tape take bits n pieces of the wood with it upon removal. Nah! I stick with STICKY BACK STOCK. I would guess I have Successfully cut over 4 dozen different patterns with 100% success. Yea!
Anyway just another 13 cents worth................Danny :+}
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Danny, your running out of pennies Thumbs :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I am doing some looking right now to see where I can get these sheets to try out before ordering some from amazon, I am kinda getting tired of this painters tape and spray glue, as half the time the glue won't hold and pulls up, the tape pulls up and sometimes its a PIA to get the tape to peel off of the small cuts afraid of breaking a cut. What exactly are these called, adhesive back paper, full sheet labels? Walmart shows they have some but at 25 sheets for 12 bucks thats a little much, another has 100 sheets for a laser printer for 12 bucks but its permanent. I wonder if office supply place would have them. Or if office depot has them.
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I have used painters tape for over a year, and needless to say I have never had a problem with it, comes off real easy, and so far I haven't broken any pieces off, guess I've been lucky. edward
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Well I bought my supply of this paper a couple years ago off of EBAY. Paid $10 for 250 sheets.
Still have plenty. I did look in STAPLES a while ago and they sell it. Sorry didn't jot down the amount or costs.
Haven't tried it yet, but some one here uses Shelf Paper with the adhesive on back. Think was in place of the painters tape. Think still used spray glue for the pattern. Said it peels off easily.
Hey Thumbs (aka Richard) Very HAPPY to see you on here..............Danny :+}
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I have no problems with the blue painter tape! :)
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I can get the tape to stick so much that it pulls wood fibers up and have to do a final sanding to smooth it, its getting the spray glue to stay stuck to the tape is my problem.
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Guys
have you thought that the quality of tape you are using is too good. I use tape om portraits but buy it from the "cheapo" shop, a 2 inch wide roll will cost ?1or about 60 cents. the quality is not so good,it sticks but yet peels very easily.
And this business of spray mount glue, I just use again cheap glue sticks "pritstick or similar" and then just peel off.
Note if using glue stick apply to the tape and not the pattern.
On MDF and I cut a lot of that around an 8' x 4' sheet a week I use latex glue "copydex" and that just peels away no problem.
I'd say that's my penny worth, but Danny used them all up :) :) :) :) :) :)
Dave
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I have been using cheap masking tape and blue tape since it first came out. I don't worry about the tape coming up because the top layer is junk. Either door skin or posterboard. When I am finished cutting just throw it away, pattern and all. I spray the pattern and put it on Right Now so it never comes loose.
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Hi Gary. I was using the blue painters tape from the dollar stores up until this last time. I was at Rona and bought the expensive brand (just because) and found the spray adhesive didn't hold as well. A painter I've known for years tells me that the expensive brand has a wax on the "up-side", ergo, glue doesn't stick well. I filed the roll and bought the cheaper brand... no prob. Cheers, Barry.
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Right now I have the duck brand clean release painters tape, having wax on top makes sense keep paint from sticking to it. Will try the cheap painters tape next, right now I did get me a 10 pack of avery full sheet labels for about 4 bucks giving it a go and so far nothing is peeling up at where I am cutting or show signs of even trying to lift up, and was also easy to print, stick cover with packing tape and start cutting, rather than, print, paint tape, spray glue wondering if too much not enough, then packing tape. I have thought too having too much of the spray glue once it starts being cut heats up form blade melts and gets sticky residue on the blade making cuttings harder or gumming the teeth of blade up and wearing it faster. Will see what happens when patterns needs to peel off how much better it will be, if its works will order some in a bigger pack and start using it if better, though there are different kinds of labels, as ones for laser printer ones for ink jet, permanent labels and they do say once they stick they don't come off easy, these would think would take some heat like was said to peel off, but sure a old hair dryer would do the trick.
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I use the Blue painters tape by Scotch/3M and the spray glue sticks just fine. I surely don't consider the 3M a cheap brand. :)
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Have used blue painters tape for years and have not had many problems with it. The other day I bought a pack of 8 1/2 X 11 address labels and gave it a try. Printed really good and stayed on the blank well but as it turns out it stayed too well. I had to us a heat gun to remove it and it left a lot of glue residue behind. Made a mess of the project but I managed to get it cleaned up OK using mineral spirits. I might have bought the wrong type labels. Won't be using these things again. Next time I will try the adhesive sheets they are selling in scroll saw catalogs etc. They claim they stick good and peel off easy. It is a good concept and would love to get away from the spray glue and tape thing.
Al
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Danny, I know you bought yours on Ebay, but can you please tell us what brand you use. Sounds like the full sheet labels are not the way to go. I also get tired of cleaning off the tape the project.
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Just do not know what the sheets I bought 2 years back are called. "But working in the Printing Industry all my life the name we used was STARLINER Temporary adhesive back. Think what I am using are most likely the Temporary type as I might take 3 days to finish a project and mostly it just peels off. NOT ALWAYS. When this happens all I do is apply a little heat and the pattern lifts off easily. Another few cents worth...................Danny :+}
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Here at Home Depot I get Green painters tape then use glue sticks from the $ store, the packing on top of the pattern. Works great for me.
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I bought some avery full sheet labels number 48165 at wally world got 10 sheets for 4.44, tried one on a project, worked good, printed good was for laser and ink jet, these labels are for two kinds of printers not sure how well it would work to get ones for laser and use a ink jet. It stuck down good, did not even try to peel off lift up.
I tried at first to just peel it off, it worked to a point then started to leave some sticky back behind, I got a old hair dryer put it on low heat with a low fan speed and heated up the top or where the pattern was printed and it peeled right off, no residue left behind. You have had too much heat thus melting the glue, rather than heat it up and making it soft to let it release, think I may try to order some more in a bigger pack from amazon. I did also notice that some of these labels are marked as permanent and reviews do say once they stick they are stuck and do not come off, making sure where you want them when before you stick them down.
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I use Elmer's glue stick from the dollar store on the back of my pattern. Then cheap packing tape over pattern so the blade doesn't burn. No problem. Sometimes the pattern comes up but I just put a little more glue stick on it.
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I bought some avery full sheet labels number 48165 at wally world got 10 sheets for 4.44, tried one on a project, worked good, printed good was for laser and ink jet, these labels are for two kinds of printers not sure how well it would work to get ones for laser and use a ink jet. It stuck down good, did not even try to peel off lift up.
I tried at first to just peel it off, it worked to a point then started to leave some sticky back behind, I got a old hair dryer put it on low heat with a low fan speed and heated up the top or where the pattern was printed and it peeled right off, no residue left behind. You have had too much heat thus melting the glue, rather than heat it up and making it soft to let it release, think I may try to order some more in a bigger pack from amazon. I did also notice that some of these labels are marked as permanent and reviews do say once they stick they are stuck and do not come off, making sure where you want them when before you stick them down.
I find the same thing to be true with the double sided tape (carpet tape) also.
I buy my carpet tape from Ace hardware and the "Ace" brand has two grades of carpet tape. One grade is marked "Heavy duty" and once it is put down, it DOESN'T want to let go and can be very problematic in trying to separate two pieces of wood.
The other grade is "Light duty" with a plastic backing (which its what I use the most) and while it does hold things together (as far as scroll sawing goes) it releases fairly easy. If there is a problem, a little heat from a hair dryer usually solves the problem.
I guess what I'm trying to say is "The best" isn't always what works best for a given job. Sometimes a lesser grade is more desirable in certain circumstances.
I find the same to be true with the blue painters tape. Brand can make a difference, I've used 3M brand for years and never had a problem with making it stick where I want it to but, still have not had a problem with it not realising or tearing the wood when it needs to be removed.
I have heard that time does make a difference though. If it is in place for a week or more, it will tend to be harder to remove as the story goes. I wouldn't know about that because I've never let it set for more than a day or two on my scrolling projects.
Rog
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Been using painter's tape for years, never had a problem.
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Hi Rog. I've used the various colors of masking tape to mask off areas for protection. My experience, based on the painters recommendation was that the green variety is readily removable for well into the foreseeable future (weeks), but logically, has the least adhesion. The white is the worst as if left for a couple of days removal may be problematic and require a combination of heat and spirits. The blue tape has the best adhesive properties and can be removed for far into the future (weeks). Personally, I use the green tape. Cheers, Barry.
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Seems like you either pay for the tape or pay for the labels. I buy tape because it works well for me and because I don't have to drag the hair dryer out into the shop (or the project to the bathroom) to get it off. I have indeed pulled off a few wood fibers but that has never resulted in anything noticeable on the finished project. Get get stacks of about 5 rolls of tape for about $15 at the box store. Lasts for a good couple of years. On a per day or per project basis, that's still pretty cheap.
What I don't like is the brands of spray adhesive available of late. It's probably different from place to place but the only ones I can find lately are really wet. I am pretty sure I am not using more than I used to but, even letting it sit for a while before putting it on my (taped) wood, I still seem to end up with it all over my finger tips. They also seem to make the paper so wet it becomes somewhat translucent, making it harder to see the pattern lines.
I might try a glue stick but am a little worried that I would miss spots here and there and then the pattern will lift when I am cutting them. Do they come in colors so you can see if you have full coverage? Or how else do you know? Any tips from the glue stick users out there?
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I have a extra hair dryer that was laying around to use on mine, the problem I have with the glue is either it lifts up or I get too much and it soaks into the paper, I also found the less is in the can the more spotty it becomes and starts to spit out the can and spots the pattern. Using the sticky sheets you can print right on it, then stick it down and not worry about the glue. Might be able to pick up a cheap hair dryer at a discount store or dollar general even or even at the thrift store to use in the shop. If you haven't tried the sticky sheets yet becky, you should at least try one, I was skeptical about them myself until I bought a cheap pack of them and tried it, now I like them. Will keep the tape and glue for small patterns but full sheet patterns they work good.
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Good morning Becky. With four grandkids glue, glue sticks and poster paper are fixtures in our house and found in abundance. I've found using glue sticks that there may be "lumps" in the glue and unless one takes pains in smoothing out the pattern (i.e., using an old credit or cash card) I could well imagine when cutting a pattern running into a lump of glue. Any confirmation on that? Cheers, Barry.