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General Category => General Scroll Saw Talk => Topic started by: tux_linux on July 02, 2011, 10:20:50 am
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Hey!
So my new saw is there here(!) and operational:
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner01.jpg)
It's so swweeeeet. Hardly no vibrations, running smooth (big oscillating weight!). I will add a dust blower, that should be delivered next week.
The bicycle quick release works like a charm. I have simply added the delta-blocks to it and mounted it. No big deal.
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner03.jpg)
The only thing I'm absolutly disappointed of are the blade clamps.
They are "complicated" - or, let's name it: They are a pain in the a**!
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner02.jpg)
It's really difficult to fix the blade in there. You need to get the blade centered in there, the screw is going right trough the complete blade clamp and interfering the process of fixing the blade. Once you've accomplished and tension the blade you've got to hope it's not popping out. Today I also had 3 times this problem while cutting (nice!).
When you try to loosen the blade clamp you really need to force the grip. It's not easy at all to loosen the blade, which looks like this afterwards:
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner04.jpg) (http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner05.jpg)
I don't know how satisfied you are with this. I'm definitely not.
I'm thinking about changing that. I have this really well working blade clamps I once bought for my former saw. They are really nice to operate, no struggle at all. It's also simple to fasten a blade under the table with these.
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner06.jpg) (http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner07.jpg) (http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner08.jpg)
The only problem is - they do not fit! The Hegner saw has this split arms ends, which are not needed anyway.
So I'm thinking about cutting them off...
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner10.jpg)
I know this would work, I have checked it a couple of times. What I don't know is what other effects I'm gonna earn from such a major modification. The other blade clamps are a bit heavier (more vibrations?). Will the length of the arms be a bit different?
I don't know. I might need a beer (it's five o'clock here ;D ) and think about it.
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Hey,
I know there are different type of Hegner clamps.
see pics.
knop2 is the one you showed. I don't use it any more.
knop3 is the one I still use as the bottom clamp.
knop1 has a slightly different blade feeding system, it goes all the way up.
this one is a great clamp. I use it. but I changed it by adding FD Mike's quick level.
I wouldn't cut of anything of, if you ask me. but hey, that's me.
can you try the other clamp?
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I have the big shiny knob that Marcellarius posted as my upper clamp. When I got it I couldn't believe the difference it made. Before getting it I couldn't get beyond changing the blades to see a nice saw. I have heard awesome-er thing about the quick reliese clamp also, I just haven't taken the time to get one yet.
I am still frusterated at times with the allen wrench in the bottom clamp. Some times it is a real pain.
I still don't know why a saw so expensive doesn't have a better blade changing system.
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I still don't know why a saw so expensive doesn't have a better blade changing system.
I tried to put knop2 as bottom clamp but there is no room because of the dust shield.
the one you always have to move when changing blades.
(I guess the dust shield has it advantage when a vacuum cleaner is attached, otherwise I wouldn't know....)
and I think it's because the tork with the (http://www.hegner.eu/multicut/key.jpg) is much bigger then with the knop2.
but maybe someone else has other theories?
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Who said beer doesn't solve the problem (http://www.torsten-harms.de/fun/alc.gif) ;D
I thought onces again - checked once again and then I thought: WTF! Go for it! (..once again...)
I did cut just the front dove tail off the arms . I dismounted them for this, that's no problem at all. Dismount - cut off - mounting didn't take me more than 15 minutes. The other blade clamps are mounted with the same screws at the same holes as the old ones.
I'm really happy with the result, this works absolutely great! The new blade clamps are lighter, I think I've underestimated the original ones.
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner11.jpg) (http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner12.jpg)
And here you can see the bottom blade clamp. I've also set a front of the mechanic. No more dust in there! I just put a flat square bowl in front of that to catch most of the dust. Works quite well so far. I decided to leave the mechanic open, the original cover is removed.
The right picture shows my zero-clearence inset (made from polystyrol ). You can see, that the blade is just about 1/8" in front of the center. But I think it wasn't centered with the old blade clamps ether.
(http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner13.jpg) (http://www.torsten-harms.de/holz/Hegner/Hegner14.jpg)
Thanks for your comments - I know I'm sometimes a fast decider. Some "bad influence" from my dad I guess (army family...).
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Interesting! Keep us posted on how it continues to work. I had no problems with my Clamps, just takes getting used to.
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well, it looks OK on the pictures. your story sounds good to.
let us know how it goes on after a few projects. also the dust cover part.
thanks for the update!
wich brand of beer idi you use? ::)
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Thanks, I'll keep you updated.
Marcel, I used just a little some of "Paulaner hell" ;D A typical Bavarian beer.
It was more the break and the moment to think about the plan again.
You should check the website of Paulaner (http://www.paulaner.de), it's a flash animated Biergarten scene - pretty neat.
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Now I have really, really enjoyed this post. I also have issues with my Hegner and like Mrsn I really do not like the bottom blade clamp that someone from Hegner decided was the best to produce. Wud like to know there reasonings. Like Chuck said I have gotten used to going thru the procedures of changing blades, but I am very much interested in Torstens modification with the new type of clamp. Where might I obtain it? The top assembly for attaching the blade is about as good as it comes. My opinion, but again Torsten I wud love hear more about how you attach the new holders.
While I'm yacking bout Hegners. Has anyone experienced the breakage of the Flying Dutchman blades right at the point where they put that little crimp in the top? I have had lots of blade breaking at that point. Used another brand of blade for a long period of time and no breaks. Guess I'm trying to eliminate my problem being my Hegner. Anyway.... Danny :+}
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Hey Dan!
I also think that those original Hegner clamps are no good choice.I find it hard to mount the blade in the top clamp as it is to get the blade with the mounted bottom clamp into the saw. I had a similar system on the old saw (Guede) and changed that right away.
The other clamps are from Scheppach, a German machinery producer: Quick fix blade clamps (http://www.scheppach.com/de/produkte/einzelansicht/categories/dekupiersaegen-1/products/schnellspannhalter-oben-fuer-dekupiersaegen/backproduct/dekupiersaege-deco-402/backPID/einzelansicht-1.html?cHash=eb0626aac4). Those blade clamps should fit nearly all the scroll saws, as the mounting of the blade clamps is kind of standardized.
I will find out where to buy them in the US.
I have worked now this afternoon with the modified saw. I produced a dozen of my fairy sticks, made ~3 dozen rough cuts to gain the work pieces, made a dozen of cut outs and 2 dozen of inside cuts. The clamp is absolute simple to use and doesn't gather attention at all. It doesn't take much concentration to fasten the blade and the handle is easy to use.
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that's the problem with all the virtual things these day's...
nice biergarten, but I'm still thirsty 8)
Guess I have to walk to the fridge myself ::)
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Thanks Torsten.... Changing the BOTTOM blade clamp is what I have ALWAYS wanted to do. I will be looking forward to your help of locating a US company. Later.... Danny :+}
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Anyone know where to get knob 1 the knurled knob? Thanks for any help.
Bob
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@ Bob
Check out the shops online selling Henger stuff. That one is accessory, you'll get it there.
@ Danny
*lol* I found the blade clamps here: Craftsman 16" Scroll saw (http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_00921602000P)
I don't know why, but that entry level saw has these clamps.
It should be possible to obtain these as a spare part. I recommend to buy 2 of these, In Germany they were 10 Euro straight each (~15$), but that sounded like a fantasy price and they might well be significant cheaper in the US.
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Found another saw (http://stevedgood.com/community/index.php?topic=6325) that uses these clamps: Porter Cable Saw (http://www.portercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=24031#)
Refering to the spare parts online order system (http://servicenet.deltaportercable.com/Products/Detail?productNumber=PCB370SS#) they are Part-Nr. 98 on the Part Diagramm.
Order Number is
5140079-27 BLADE HOLDER ASSY.
costs 9.14$ each. Worth every cent. can be ordered direct online.
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Found another saw (http://stevedgood.com/community/index.php?topic=6325) that uses these clamps: Porter Cable Saw (http://www.portercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=24031#)
Refering to the spare parts online order system (http://servicenet.deltaportercable.com/Products/Detail?productNumber=PCB370SS#) they are Part-Nr. 98 on the Part Diagramm.
Order Number is
5140079-27 BLADE HOLDER ASSY.
costs 9.14$ each. Worth every cent. can be ordered direct online.
I see the bottom # is 97 on the part diagram, do you have the part number of that as well?
BTW, i see it's in back order...... :(
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Marcel,
what ever that is (http://servicenet.deltaportercable.com/Parts/Detail/285598) - it's supposed to cost 62.35$ !
Looks on the diagram pretty much the same, the price doesn't match.
You as a native European should check the Scheppach Website and order them there (if wanted of course!)
blade clamps @ Scheppach (http://www.scheppach.com/de/produkte/einzelansicht/categories/dekupiersaegen-1/products/schnellspannhalter-oben-fuer-dekupiersaegen/backproduct/dekupiersaege-deco-402/backPID/einzelansicht-1.html?cHash=eb0626aac4). They charge 10? each.
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hey Torsten,
Thanks!
I might, I have an old saw which I might change then.
I'm not gone cut of anything of my hegner.... 8)
again one clamp, this does give me the question if the top and bottom clamps are different?
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no, they are the same. I use 2 of them, that makes it easy to change blades.
You will thing about modifying your Hegner ;D - but try 'em first on the other saw. You'll love them.
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Update on my modifications:
The blade clamps are perfectly working. Kind of fun to change the blade now.
The bike quick release I mounted as a lever broke last night! I don't know why. No big action, it just felt like a broken blade and I was surprised to see the blade was fine.
I'll mount another one and see how that one performs. In general this also worked really well so far.
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The bike quick release I mounted as a lever broke last night! I don't know why. No big action, it just felt like a broken blade and I was surprised to see the blade was fine.
I'll mount another one and see how that one performs. In general this also worked really well so far.
I guess you don't go to work on your bike anymore ;)
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*lol* That's too far anyway.
I actually had "some" bicycles in the past, I even have raced some mountain bike and road. So I had to have a bicycle shop and did build up a couple of racer's machines not just for myself.
But when we became a family it all ended (kind of) and now I have just about 3 bikes left.
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Update!
Strange - but I had really problems with the replacement lever I used now. It was a usual Shimano XT Lever - standard in mountain biking.
I was cutting some key hangers and other small items, so I had #1 and #2/0 blades in use. I broke half a dozen of them, all at the wood (not at the clamps).
I now switched to another lever, which seems to work better. I don't know why. Might be better to adjust for the tension.
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How about the quick clamp?
Check: http://www.mikesworkshop.com/newprod.htm
Fd Mike
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Marcel,
what ever that is (http://servicenet.deltaportercable.com/Parts/Detail/285598) - it's supposed to cost 62.35$ !
Looks on the diagram pretty much the same, the price doesn't match.
You as a native European should check the Scheppach Website and order them there (if wanted of course!)
blade clamps @ Scheppach (http://www.scheppach.com/de/produkte/einzelansicht/categories/dekupiersaegen-1/products/schnellspannhalter-oben-fuer-dekupiersaegen/backproduct/dekupiersaege-deco-402/backPID/einzelansicht-1.html?cHash=eb0626aac4). They charge 10? each.
Can you say where/how you can buy them at around 10?? as I could not find the right page, and when I asked a UK supplier, I was told ?19 each, that's around $30!!!!!
I contacted Porter Cable, but they don't ship outside the US.
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Well I bought the Scheppach clamps anyway. They cost a total of ?27 for one of the type Torsten fitted to the top, and a grotty casting for the bottom (which I won't use). To get Torsten's setup I would have to buy another of the same set of two. Not worth it.
Torsten, does your clamp swing freely? The one I got has a spring pin pressed in and the swinging movement is very stiff.